From: Rajini Gutti
To: gnaneshwar sriramdoss
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Can We Simulate Human Vision (Eye/Mind) : Rajini
Dear Gnaneshwar sir,
I am very very happy to see your response and am really interested in what you have suggested.. As per your idea I will start preparing the abstract.. Am looking forward to see responses from the rest of the interested people..
Regards
Rajini G
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On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:20 AM, gnaneshwar sriramdoss <sv_kg@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Rajini,
Let us continue where we left on Oct 20 & 29: (I have read through your concerns, expectations, disappointments etc,. Yes, truely, this is real life in this real world, and has to be led that way. Indeed we have to balance the life between earning livelihood doing the programmer work on one hand and satisfying the mind and soul doing conceptual, intellectual, visionary work on the other hand aimed at developing humanity and carrying the civilization forward. Don’t get distracted by non-issues. I can see, you are a brilliant material, worthy of encouragement). Now, focussing on the prime objectives, there is no worthwhile project in the world starving for want of funds. Believe me, there is plenty of money with various universities, research institutes, industries and other organisations around the world. We only need to know the proper sources and tap them with properly prepared proposals, perseverence is the hall mark. The countries which are known for promoting this kind of research are, USA, Japan, Sweden. But there could be some constraints like languages. But I know some of my very junior students/colleagues working in Japan and Sweden, inspite of the language barriers/problems inventing some wonderful solutions. With todays communication facilities, anybody can identify these sources. Your choice of the subject is so much of futuristic importance, you have already succeeded in roping in the right talent/knowledge within the alumni; you can go beyond, into places like LinkedIn etc. Let us now lead it to practical application process. I would suggest most practical route. You can form a group of about half a dozen like minded devoted specialist-brains interested in this work (Mr Chenchu Rama Naidu can help in this matter. I can talk to him on this.) Let a conceptual proposal be made, of course in multiple phases, for practical and strategic reasons. Once basic preliminary proposal is approved and first stanch of funds are available, in India or abroad, a detailed proposals can be made with finer details. We can gradually firm up rolling road map as we go along. I can guide on this. Let me have your as well as others response for the above so that we can hunt for sources & resources for the purpose.
Best Wishes,
Gnaneshwar
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From: gnaneshwar sriramdoss
Subject: Re: Can We Simulate Human Eye
To: Soundar Kumara
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 4:41 AM
Dear Rajini,
I will be back with you in about a week time to catch up on what we have generated with “Simulation of Human Vision (Mind Mapping) on Oct 20 and your reply thereon. In the meantime please go through the following:“ A handful of brain cells can play around with complex visual images on a computer screen, scientists have discovered. The study found that when volunteers had their brains connected to a computer displaying two merged images, they could force the computer to display one of the images and discard the other. The signals transmitted from each subject’s brain to the computer were derived from just a small number of brain cells, reports the Daily Mail, citing the study published in the journal Nature. The subjects were able to use their thoughts to override the images they saw on the computer screen, said Itzhak Fried, professor of neurosurgery at the University of California, Los Angeles, US, who led the study.
The most complex circuit
The discovery comes as a boost for development of brain-computer interfaces (BCIs), devices that allow people to control computers or other devices with their thoughts. BCIs have been hailed as the future for allowing people with locked-in syndrome to communicate or control prosthetic limbs using only their minds. Past studies have shown how BCIs can be used perform simple tasks, such as controlling a computer cursor, with just a few brain cells. This study, however, used BCI technology to understand how thoughts and decisions are shaped by a group of brain cells. This is a novel and elegant use of a brain-computer interface to explore how the brain directs attention and makes choices, said Debra Babcock, a program director at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in the US.”
Good Luck.
Gnaneshwar Dalls TX USA
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From: Rajini Gutti
Subject: Re: Can We Simulate Human Eye
To: Soundar Kumara
Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 1:54 PM
Dear Soundar kumara Sir,
Thanks for providing the info about the research works happening in creating bionic eye. Really nice to read about MIT’s research on restoring the sight of blind people. After reading all these I understood that Human Eye is one of the most complex Master piece created by God. Am seeing the major obstacles/research areas (keeping the brain processing of visuals aside) to make it a reality lies in 1. creating millions of artificial neurons that sense and send signals at a speed to achieve natural vision. 2. Implanting the bionic eye into human body.
Regards
Rajini G
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On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:49 AM,
Soundar Kumara <u1o@engr.psu.edu> wrote:
Dear Vidya Sagar,
May be the questions can be posted in the general email so that everyone can see and comment. I am taking the liberty to post in the thread.
Yes parallel processing is done and even then images need to be processed to either represent or recognize the face. Parallel processing offers higher speeds. You could refer to Professor Rama Chellappa (Maryland), Thomas Huang (Illinois) work as well as my own professor R.L. Kashyap’s (Purdue retired) work.Heat sensing is for recognizing shapes and bio materials, it will not be very good in representing details like eyes etc, as reconstruction will take more effort.About my credentials – not much I teach at Penn State in USA.
Best wishes,
SK
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From: Vidya Panati Sagar01
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:05 AM
To: Soundar Kumara;
Subject: RE: SVUCE, Tirupati – List of First Rankers – 2009-2010 – Regarding.
Hi Soundar Kumar,
Felt very good to know that so much is happening in the background.
Regarding the eye simulation:I’ve got a doubt. Why can we use the parallel processors to recognize a face, instead of doing the image processing in the front end?Are there any issues with such approaches. What about the heat sensors? Can they benefit us in some way or the other?
Regarding the brain simulation:And since a new synapse is formed for every event in the life, which fade away if not recollected frequently, can’t we develop an algorithm that can simulate the same process. But then again it would be an idle one and not a common human brain.
With due respect for Soundar Kumar, can I know your credentials please. With the boundless knowledge that you shared in the mail, I assume you to be more prominent. It would be a great walk ahead with you, Bogineni garu and others.
Thanking you,
Regards,
Vidya Sagar Panati,
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On October 20, 2010 at 1:23 AM
From: Rajini Gutti
To: Bogineni
Yes Sir,
I read many articles on Web , lot of research is going on but still the encoding and decoding part of Brain is a mystery.. How exactly brain stores the information. how does it segregate different varieties of data..
I am seeing day by day intel is releasing high speed chips but none of them could match the speed of human nervous system..
The speed with which the human nerves send signals to the brain and the speed with which it processes the data and reacts to the external world is really awesome.. It amazes me a lot..
Eye...
I read artificial intelligence in my final year but am still wondering why scientists are trying to create robots, why don’t they spend time in creating artificial organs and make them available to the poor who are in need.
Moreover Many foreign universities are doing lot of research .. Am seeing many of our seniors in prestigious universities.. Why don’t they sponsor our Students and associate them in such research.. They will get lot of awareness..
Am sure the syllabus of SVUCE is rich but the students of SVUCE should map it to the real life scenarios..
I still remember Mr. Naidu sir’s words.. “You people will become programmers.”.Yes ultimately that is the truth.. We all became programmers not computer science engineers.. Slowly the Indian companies make us move to management which will totally change the path of our destiny.. We wanted to become engineers ultimately we end up in doing People Management.. HAA…. And those students who could afford to go to foreign universities hardly 10% of them are really becoming engineers..
Please don’t take my words in a negative way.. I am requesting to improve the education standards of our universities..
Many of our seniors are sponsoring scholarships to the students at the same time if certain amount of funds are allocated to sponsor the talented students to these kinds of research institutes it would really help our nation.
Regards
Rajini G
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Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 12:16 PM
From:Rajani
To: All
Dear All,
I hope many of us would have ever wondered why can’t we simulateHuman Vision..It’s a great Challenge isn’t it.. Not only that it would be a great discovery..
Ofcourse its not just for medicos..Its for us too.. Its about engineering.. Its physics ..
We know many technologies Artificial Neural networks Intelligent devices that can send signals to our brains We learnt fundamentals of Light, how to create images. Robotics
What else is required to simulate vision?
Do share your Ideas..
Regards
Rajini G